Fantasticandy, interesting that we feel similar about P=A and what it is we want most from the Church. HOB is indeed a great album and it is essential for me. Essential I define as an album that I can not do without and while I enjoy parts of P=A, as a whole it's a bit much for me. A bit too grandiose at times for me, if you will. I like parts of it but if I could only have one of the two, without question I would choose HOB. By perusing the many threads and opinions about P=A it is apparent that I am in the vast minority here. I'm sure that I may catch a bit of flak for it but hey its my opinion. I know it's for another thread, but whats your take on MATS?