hi all. i'm a newish fan to the church and am rabidly collecting up the albums on vinyl (and let me say here how wonderful the new double-lp is, please release painkiller on lp too!). anyway, my first post has to be in this thread because everything i read before i got them suggested starfish was the cracker and GAF a shoddy follow up. the band even seem to think this themselves. this is not my experience though. i LOVE GAF! its terrific (the uk lp seems to miss two songs though) maybe my expectation for starfish was too high and for GAF was too low. who knows, but as it stands i much prefer GAF, the first side in particular is awesome. i know someone who claims to be a church fan but has never heard this record, so entrenched is the idea that it is one of their lacklustre records. what a shame that is. Viva GAF!

p.s. good forum, nice to see church related discussion on the net, well done all.